Social media reaction to a sadly predictable defeat at Swansea

Swansea City 2 Wigan Athletic 1

Nathan Byrne’s well taken first half goal gave Latics a lift, but Swansea were to score three minutes later. Swans’ manager Steve Cooper had clearly done his homework and employed a high press to stop Latics building up moves from the back. The under-pressure defenders resisted the easy-hoof way out, but most of the time the ball came back to keeper David Marshall who would look for a defender willing to receive, but often had to play it long.

Paul Cook had brought Joe Garner into the starting line-up for Josh Windass, who did not even appear on the bench. He persisted with the out of form Jamal Lowe, keeping Kieran Dowell on the left with Joe Williams continuing in the number 10 position.

Going in 1-1 at half time, given previous performances, it was hard to see Wigan coming away with even a point. In the event Swansea laid siege on Latics who held out until Paul Cook made two substitutions after 64 minutes. Gavin Massey came on for the hapless Lowe, but sadly Cook sent Massey to the left wing, which is a position where he has so often looked like a duck out of water. Playing a number 10 on the left wing was hard enough to understand, although Dowell had linked up well with Antonee Robinson, but when Massey came on he was switched to the right flank. Square pegs in round holes yet again.

It was no surprise when Swansea scored what proved to be the winning goal just three minutes after the substitutions.

Despite the result Latics played with lots of enthusiasm and tried hard to get back into the game in the closing minutes.

But spirit is not enough: Swansea clearly had a game-plan and their players knew their roles. If Latics did have a plan it dissolved following Cook’s substitutions.

Unless Cook’s team selections and substitutions show a radical change, Latics are heading for the abyss. How many more square pegs in round holes will we see? The depressing scene of Cook berating the fourth official, rather than focus on the pattern of play on the pitch, is getting tired.

Let’s take a look at how fans reacted to the match through the message boards and social media.

Our thanks go to the Cockney Latic Forum, the Vital Wigan – Latics Speyk Forum and Twitter for providing the media for the posts below to happen. Thanks go to all whose contributions are identified below.

Jeffs right on the Latics Speyk Forum referred to Kieran Dowell’s position:

Signed as a number 10 as he plays behind the striker. So Cook plays him as one of the so called wide players with the inept Lowe on the other side and a defensive midfielder behind the striker. He really does want this pay off badly.

JRTfatfan on the Cockney Latic Forum said:

The point is we lose a goal EVERY time he makes changes. Was neither attacking or playing for point change, like for like both players. Garner was doing Ok, Lowe was pants. This is just about the worst performance of the season.

Garswood Latic on the Cockney Latic Forum responded:

The point that John makes is spot on, as I have mentioned elsewhere. This isn’t just bad luck. The only way I can rationalise it is that the team aren’t really understanding the changes and what that means for them individually. There is obviously confusion, and until they understand what is required we remain vulnerable. Why?

Three options:
1. These things and possibilities aren’t being discussed and planned and plotted during the week (“if we are down we will have an attacking formation and X and Y will do this etc”)
2. If a change is made that falls outside these pre-planned changes (and there will be many times that happens) then no-one on the pitch is being informed what it means (when we’re making changes is Morsy there finding out what the thinking is particularly if we’re changing formation other than like-for-like changes? Does anyone ever see players being given instructions?
3. A possibility that can also be alongside 1 and 2 – the players are too thick to understand what is required.

A fascinating post from King_dezeuww06 prior to the game on the Latics Speyk Forum:

For anyone interested here are the stats for the the Championship teams since they changed their managers this season (mostly in relegation fight) league games only:

Cardiff – Harris
Played 11
Won 4
Drew 5
Lost 2
Win ratio 37%
Points 17 out of 33

Barnsley – Struber
Played 12
Won 4
Lost 4
Drew 4
Win ratio 33%
Points 16 out of 36

Millwall – Rowett
Played 14
Won 7
Drew 5
Lost 2
Win ratio 50%
Points 26 out of 42

Stoke – O’Neill
Played 15
Won 5
Drew 2
Lost 5
Win ratio 33%
Points 17 out of 45

Reading – Bowen
Played 17
Won 8
Drew 4
Lost 3
Win ratio 47%
Points 28 out of 51

Huddersfield – Crowley
Played 21
Won 7
Drew 6
Lost 8
Win ratio 33%
Points 27 out of 63

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Results of teams who kept manager in relegation fight

Boro – Woodgate
Played 27
Won 8
Drew 10
Lost 9
Win ratio 30%
Points 34 out of 81

Luton – Jones
Played 27
Won 6
Drew 3
Lost 18
Win ratio 22%
Points 21 out of 81

Wigan – Cook
Played 27
Won 5
Drew 8
Lost 14
Win ratio 19%
Points 23 out of 81

I knew Rowett was going to work wonders at Millwall but really impressive with how well Bowen has done at Reading they have a good team with a goals in them but you never know how a number 2 will step up in his first job. Other changes all yielded that 1 in 3 win ratio which is what most teams are looking for without being spectacular, unforunately no one seems to have got in a Joyce unfortunately that had zero impact.

Boro were doing terrible until they suddenly went on a run of 5 wins and 2 draws in their last 8 games pulled them clear.

Latics fans react on Social Media to another predictable away defeat

Luton 2 Wigan Athletic 1

Another predictable defeat, in the closing minutes when Wigan Athletic players in away games typically look both clueless and legless.There was only one team trying to play football in this game: it wasn’t Wigan. Fightball/long ball once again failed under Paul Cook.

Paul Cook’s reaction was as honest as ever, but the buck stops with him.

Let’s take a look at how fans reacted to the match through the message boards and social media.

Our thanks go to the Cockney Latic Forum, the Vital Wigan – Latics Speyk Forum and Twitter for providing the media for the posts below to happen. Thanks go to all whose contributions are identified below.

FormbyLatic on the Latics Speyk Forum said:

I won’t be going on Wednesday. For the first time in 40 years I am in absolute despair with what is going on at this club.

 

FrancosLoveChild on the Latics Speyk Forum commented:

I feel sick, I was expecting this to happen, but you would of thought, it can’t happen again, surely it has happened to much to happen again, but it did, this is gone beyond bad luck, gone way beyond excuses, there is something very wrong with the fitness or mentality of the management and players late in games. This is something that has not been addressed, what is going on at Wigan, what on earth does it take to stop this capitulation? This is an issue that has gone beyond anything imagined.

MrBrownbill on the Cockney Latic Forum said:

….something wrong on the coaching side when we collapse, dead on our feet continually 75 mins on and look way below our oppositions fitness levels .It’s a results business remember and he’s a stain on the name of our club. The useless money taking executives have allowed this to fester for 12 months………you cannot defend him. He has turned some of these players into zero confidence nervous wrecks…..Said it for ages ……he stays …we are screwed on the pitch and financially off it…..

SwedishLatic on the Latics Speyk Forum said:

We are so unfit. It’s shocking that a professional team at this level is this unfit, to little or too much training?

Dudestalker on the Latics Speyk Forum commented:

If he survives this we are well and truly screwed, total clueless clown. Singlehandedly destroying the players confidence, and the fan base.

TheEgg on the Cockney Latic Forum said:

The types of goals we concede are dreadful as well. Derby aside, they are all from rank, panic defending and are goals we really shouldn’t be conceding.

 

Derby 1 Wigan Athletic 0 – the social media reaction

It was yet another away defeat, although with better finishing Latics could have won.

After the game Paul Cook commented: “We haven’t played as well as that away from home for a long time. And even the most biased person inside the ground would have to admit we certainly deserved something from the game.To come away from here with nothing is not right. If we’d come away with a draw, we’d have been thinking we deserved to win the game. But we never got nothing, and that’s football. Moments come and go in games that you’ve got to take if you are going to be successful. We had enough moments to ensure we won the game, and unfortunately we never took them.”

Let’s take a look at how fans reacted to the match through the message boards and social media.

Our thanks go to the Cockney Latic Forum, the Vital Wigan – Latics Speyk Forum and Twitter for providing the media for the posts below to happen. Thanks go to all whose contributions are identified below.

Jrfatfan on the Cockney Latic forum commented:

No negatives from me on that performance. We are finally looking like a team, players left everything on the pitch.
Creating chances to, one goal would have probably seen 2 or 3. Their man looked offside and in the goalies line of view for the goal.
I’m gutted for Cook and all the players.

The_Pon on the Latics Speyk Forum commented:

Should’ve won that. Had the better of the chances and again looked completely inept in front of goal. Williams Mom again, by a mile this time. After 90 minutes I still had no idea what the formation was but at least it wasn’t just a load of long balls. Team selection was again very odd, and the subs were far too late to make an impact. No specific criticism for Garner or Naismith though. They didn’t have time to even get properly warmed up. No points again against very weak opposition, again. How long does this have to go on before questions are asked of Cook at a higher level than us lot?

 

Mightytics on the Latics Speyk Forum commented:

Moore is starting to get frustrated , you can see it in his body language trying to close down 3 defenders on his own , his touch is very poor and for a target man he does not bring m,any players into the game to keep it flowing .With Mulgrew in we look solid and looked edgey when Kipre came on.  Lowe should of had a couple tonight and we should of been 3 up
From the first minute i saw Williams i said he was different class and now he is proving it , if i stood with Paul Cook all night he could not explain to me why Joffy was not introduced with 15 minutes to go , if he does not get game time soon he should tell his agent he wants to leave because we are going to ruin his career sitting such a talent on the bench then playing him in the 23s were he is far too good and will not test him.

Markgreen433  on the Latics Speyk Forum commented:

 Watched live and thought the midfield 3 were great. Williams stood out, but McLeod and Morsy were really solid. Good switching of play to the overlapping full backs. Moore worked hard, but not sure if he’s the answer for how we play at the moment, though he held the ball up well and tried to link up play. Not sure about Lowe, but wonder if he would be better through the middle, as Moore doesn’t seem to have the pace to trouble defences… Maybe Gelhardt should have had a chance tonight. Turning point for me was Mulgrew going off. Not blaming Kipre but he does slip a lot in the box. But we didn’t seem as organised towards the end.

King_dezeeuw06 on the Latics Speyk Forum commented:

Derby were diabolical and there for the taking – we keep coming across teams that are having off days and keep failing to capitalise on what should be gifted 3 points. When you are in the relegation dog fight like we are you can’t keep messing up those games without eventually paying the consequences.

We worked hard were the better team (it wasnt hard with how bad Derby were) , we created the better chances but looked like we lacked belief we could get a goal. I don’t think you can fault the effort from the lads but today was a golden opportunity and we missed our chances. Unlucky to lose like we did but also have only ourselves to blame for not putting Derby to the sword on the night long before the injury time goal.

We’ve had a decent amount of time to judge Moore now and Im sorry to say im really losing faith in him – he was terrible tonight. He’s a big physical presence no doubt but for his size he doesn’t win as much in the as you’d expect and gets pushed off the ball easier than you’d think. His movement off the ball has been bothering me but I put it down to a complete lack of service but he’s had a few decent crosses put into the box over last couple of games and he’s never anywhere near them. But what really concerned me wss when he has the ball at his feet he’s looks like a fish out of water. I was excited at getting him in but the more I’ve seen the more I think he’s not a Championship player unfortunately. He’s a physical presence we miss when he’s not on the pitch but I don’t think he’s the answer and neither is Garner. Compare him to Martin who came on for Derby and it was night and day comparing target men. We’d have been better bringing Leon Clarke back from what we’ve seen.

The away form is beyond doubt a physiological problem at this stage even sitting watching at no point did I fancy us to see it out no matter how Derby were struggling.

Disappointing again but not surprising in the least. We couldn’t ask for a more off form opposition than tonight – it was like Boro again and we still couldn’t win away. Cook clearly doesn’t have the answers to the away form. We are literally trying to stay up playing only half of the games the rest of the division play as you can virtually write off all away games as losses.

 

Stats courtesy of WhoScored.com

That’s a criticism of myself and the players, because at 0-0 you’re always liable for a sucker-punch.

Not a sign of it changing: social media reaction to defeat at Hillsborough

Sheffield Wednesday 1 Wigan Athletic 0

Sadly we on this site have to agree with what Craig says. My comments will be fairly brief. I will leave the rest to snippets plucked from the social media.

Over the past 14 months we have seen the worst away performances from a Wigan Athletic team that I can remember as a long-term supporter over a period of decades. So many of those away defeats have been characterised by a seemingly clueless approach from Latics typified by: conceding soft goals, posing little attacking threat, being tactically out of their depth. The main tactic has so often been launching long balls to a centre forward who is isolated with no immediate support.

It was by no means the worst away performance today when Latics could have maybe scraped a draw against a team better set up tactically but always likely threaten with another goal if Latics had equalised.

With wingers Massey and Lowe once again being woefully out of touch the main hope for creativity was Josh Windass. However, home team manager Garry Monk had done his homework and put a man-marker on Windass, effectively playing him out of the game apart from some  moments in the first half. On the other hand, home team playmaker Barry Bannan controlled the game from midfield, his incisive passing causing constant problems. Bannan is one of the best midfielders in the Championship and he was allowed considerable freedom in this game.

Once Wednesday had scored around the hour mark one hoped for a tactical riposte from Paul Cook.

Above posting from Vital Wigan – Latics Speyk forum.

Cook brought on Pilkington and Moore after 64 minutes for Massey and Garner. They were like for like replacements, with no change in shape. Although Latics’ play was crying out for creativity with Windass shackled it took another 14 minutes for Gelhardt to come on for Lowe.

From the Vital Wigan – Latics Speyk forum:

 

 

How social media reacted to a predictable away defeat at QPR

QPR 3 Wigan Athletic 1

Cedric Kipre’s goal in the second minute gave Latics a temporary confidence boost. Although their main attacking strategy was to launch long balls to the 5 ft 10in Joe Garner up against big central defendersWigan’s defence was looking more solid than of late. Latics held out until half time, but the second half was a different story. There was only one team trying to play football: it was not Wigan. The three QPR goals were down to awful defence and Wigan’s long ball tactics posed no threat to the home team.

We on this site were initially pleased to see Paul Cook appointed. He was an excellent player for Latics and had a fine record in management, albeit in the lower leagues. More than anything else he had a reputation for his teams playing good football. But the long ball game that now characterises the team’s approach is reminiscent of the darkest days of Coyle and Mackay.

Let’s take a look at how fans have reacted to recent events through the message boards and social media.

Our thanks go to the Cockney Latic Forum, the Vital Wigan – Latics Speyk Forum, The Boulevard of Broken Dreams on Facebook and Twitter for providing the media for the posts below to happen. Thanks go to all whose contributions are identified below.

Victor Moses on the Latics Speyk Forum commented:

Only way to describe this – embarrassing. Against two struggling teams we’ve been dominated. For any brave fans who are willing to sacrifice a whole day to watch this s..t, fair play to you all.

Was going to give Cook some praise today. Started the first five minutes with 3 at the back and looked good, we changed shortly after the goal to five at the back. Parking the bus from the fifth minute until the 20th minute. After being dominated for 15 minutes he finally made a good decision, moved Kipre in front of the back four. For the rest of the half it was much more even. Instead of having 6-9 player’s standing around in the defensive third doing nothing, we started to have pressure on the ball making it a game again.

Second half starts and from the off we reverted to five at the back, there’s no word’s for that type of decision making. You could see goal’s going from the off, camped out near our box for the whole second half. Changed nothing just accepted being dominated for the entire second half. 3, should of been 5.

Since Morsy came back, we placed Evans back on the right and he’s been awful there. Morsy has been poor as well. Both of them play better on the opposite sides.

Stoke can’t buy a win yet they beat us comfortably, Middlesbrough in the same position. Today a very poor QPR had the easiest home game they’ll have all season, cup games against non-league teams will have more desire to be attack minded then we do away from home.

FormbyLatic on the Latics Speyk Forum added:

Squad has changed but our tactics away from home haven’t changed one jot.

 

Jrfatfan on the Cockney Latic Forum commented:

Never thought I’d say it but agree. Some very strange selections and tactics. First of all he leaves Williams out the squad, wonder if it was to teach him a lesson? If it was it is Mr Cook who has been taught a lesson.

Secondly, plays Marshall and Kipre who have been dire and lacking in confidence. It should have been Jones and Mulgrew to try and stop the leaks. Then he takes Jacobs off and brings Naismith on when Massey is on bench. He is devoid of ideas and has to rely on his backroom staff who have never played or managed higher than Accrington Stanley.

Chris Hooton anybody

LoudmouthBlue on the Latics Speyk Forum stated:

Williams walked out of training yesterday and went home after being told he was not in the squad today, something not right at the club when a new signing does that.

TrueLatic4eva on the Cockney Latic Forum opined:

No manager in Britain would still be in a job with his away record over the last 12 months.